The book of Revelation speaks of resurrected ones (in the future) in heaven wearing white robes & the WT's depictions of YHWH God, Jesus Christ and angels in heaven depict them as wearing clothes, yet according to scripture all of those alleged beings are perfect and without sin.
Disillusioned JW
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Naked in the New World
by neat blue dog ini know there was a painting of a woman being resurrected naked and someone coming to greet her holding clothes, but what about after perfection, after the thousand years?.
the idea is we're supposed to achieve what adam lost by returning to human perfection, so wouldn't that include not wearing clothes, especially as the act of adam and eve hiding in the trees and sewing fig leaves signified shame, and imperfection passed on through the reproductive organs.
has the wt ever addressed this?
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Can TiKToK spy on you?
by Fisherman inseveral years ago i was having a conversation with a neighbor inside a store and he told me that he was in the park one day with a friend who was then struck by lightning and after a few moments after being struck they walked away from there and while they were walking away my neighbor told me that his friend got hit by lightning a second time ki&&ing him.
after telling me this story lightning struck and we heard thunder.
coincidence or act of god?
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Disillusioned JW
In a number of respects I think my life was better in 1995 than it is now. I also think the internet was better then in regards to not being cluttered with distracting animated ads which consume computer memory and CPU cycles.
I often wondered why people with smart phones are encouraged by businesses to install apps (aka, miniature application programs) on their phones rather simply bookmarking the business' website and logging into the business' site. Now I know why. The apps might save some time for the consumer, but it might not be worth it. I've never bought a smart phone, and that is due to a combination of several reasons.
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NASA: Humans Back to the Moon
by Gerard innasa plans return to moon by 2020
"this vision aims to return humans to the moon, and then to use it as a staging point for a manned mission to mars.
i wonder if jws will be required to canvas those areas too.
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BettyHumpter, I agree that a robotic mission to below the icy surface of the moon Europa would be excellent.
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NASA: Humans Back to the Moon
by Gerard innasa plans return to moon by 2020
"this vision aims to return humans to the moon, and then to use it as a staging point for a manned mission to mars.
i wonder if jws will be required to canvas those areas too.
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In just eight more days NASA launches the Artemis rocket to go orbit the moon. See https://www.nasa.gov/specials/artemis/ . Yippie! The web pages says the following.
"With Artemis missions, NASA will land the first woman and first person of color on the Moon, using innovative technologies to explore more of the lunar surface than ever before. We will collaborate with commercial and international partners and establish the first long-term presence on the Moon. Then, we will use what we learn on and around the Moon to take the next giant leap: sending the first astronauts to Mars."
See also the article called " Moon caves and pits are a comfy 63 degrees ". It says in part the following. "The moon has virtually no atmosphere, so daytime temperatures on the moon can hit 260 degrees Fahrenheit (126° Celsius), while nighttime temps can drop to -280 F (-173 C). But a team of scientists announced on July 26, 2022, that they’ve found pits and caves on the moon that have a permanent temperature of 63 F (17 C). "
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Could the WT org. Be in on the "great reset"?
by nowwhat? inthe org.
was all too willing to emphasize to the government - especially the left that they very obedient to the calls for mask, vaccine, and lockdown mandates.
those that know about the great reset know what i'm talking about.
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nowwhat, if your comment of "Stop watching MSNBC exclusively and you will learn exactly what's going on" was directed to me, then you are in error in thinking I exclusively watch MSNBC. I watch very little news from MSNBC.(largely because I don't subscribe to cable TV nor to satellite TV, and because I infrequently watch videos on the internet).
I watch the bulk of my video news from over-the-air antenna (not satellite or cable) broadcast networks of ABC ("World News Tonight"), CBS ("CBS Evening News"), NBC ("NBC Nightly News" - not MSNBC), and PBS ("PBS NewsHour" and "Washington Week"). Sometimes when I watch news on the PBS channel I watch international newscasts from Deutsche Welle and BBC World News. Lately I have also been watching over-the-air antenna (not satellite or cable) broadcasts of Newsy . Sometimes I watch local news, namely from the local affiliates of ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox News.
When I get news online the vast majority of the time it is from READING news ARTICLES, rather than from watching news videos.
I very rarely watch news broadcasts produced by networks which frequently proclaim nutty alleged conspiracies taking place in the USA. As a result I rarely watch Fox News Channel cable/satellite commentary broadcasts and I almost always avoid paying attention to comments by Tucker Carlson.
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What did Jesus Teach the "Kingdom of Heaven/God" is?
by truth_b_known inthe books of matthew, mark, luke, john, and the beginning of acts are filled with what the authors purport are statements of jesus.
jesus is quoted as making several statements about "the kingdom of heaven" or "the kingdom of god".
those statements are often given as parables that start with a phrase something like "the kingdom of heaven is like...".
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H. G. Wells says more about what he considered to be part of the teaching of Jesus. Page 446 of H. G. Wells' book says the following.
"And not only did Jesus strike at patriotism and the bonds of family loyalty in the name of God’s universal fatherhood and brotherhood of all mankind, but it is clear that his teaching condemned all the gradations of the economic system, all private wealth, and personal advantages. All men belonged to the kingdom; all their possessions belonged to the kingdom; the righteous life for all men, the only righteous life, was the service of God’s will with all that we had, with all that we were. Again and again he denounced private riches and the reservation of any private life."
On page 447 Wells quotes from Mark chapter 10 which says the following.
“And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the Kingdom of God! And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answered again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the Kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God.”
That message of no private wealth in the kingdom is one which would have been a very hard message for most people to accept, except mostly for the poorest of the poor.
On pages 447-448 of the edition of 1971 Wells says the following.
"It was not merely a moral and a social revolution that Jesus proclaimed; it is clear from a score of indications that his teaching had a political bent of the plainest sort. It is true that he said his kingdom was not of this world, that it was in the hearts of men and not upon a throne; but it is equally clear that wherever and in what measure his kingdom was set up in the hearts of men, the outer world would be in that measure revolutionized and made new."
Page 453 of the edition of Wells' book from 1971 says the following. "The early Nazarenes, as the followers of Jesus were called, present from the first a spectacle of a great confusion ..., his teaching, on the one hand, and the glosses and interpretations of the disciples on the other. They continued for a time his disciples of the complete subjugation of self; they had their goods in common, they had no bond but love. Nevertheless, they built their faith upon the stories that were told of his resurrection and magical ascension, and the promised return. Few of them understood that the renunciation of self is its own reward, that it is itself the Kingdom of Heaven; they regarded it as a sacrifice that entitled them to the compensation of power and dominion when presently the second coming occurred. They now all identified Jesus with the promised Christ, the Messiah so long expected by the Jewish people."
It is those words from pages 447-448 and from page 453 (and from the first paragraph of page 453, which I did not include in the quotes) of the 1971 edition of Wells' book which give me the impression that Wells did not believe that Jesus taught an apocalyptic message (though for awhile I had thought that Wells did believe that Jesus taught such an apocalyptic message).
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What did Jesus Teach the "Kingdom of Heaven/God" is?
by truth_b_known inthe books of matthew, mark, luke, john, and the beginning of acts are filled with what the authors purport are statements of jesus.
jesus is quoted as making several statements about "the kingdom of heaven" or "the kingdom of god".
those statements are often given as parables that start with a phrase something like "the kingdom of heaven is like...".
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I notice that someone gave my my recent prior post in this topic a negative vote. Why is that?
Does the person who did so think that Jesus did not teach an apocalyptic message? If so, what reason does the person have for thinking such?
Does the person who cast the negative vote think that H.G. Wells believed that Jesus taught an apocalyptic message? If so I hope the person provides a source for that, since I would like to believe that Wells acknowledged that Jesus taught an apocalyptic message.
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Could the WT org. Be in on the "great reset"?
by nowwhat? inthe org.
was all too willing to emphasize to the government - especially the left that they very obedient to the calls for mask, vaccine, and lockdown mandates.
those that know about the great reset know what i'm talking about.
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The talk/writings of "You’ll own nothing and be happy" is utterly foolishness to me. I noticed it mentioned multiple times on this website so I did a search for information about it and the I found the following two articles: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-world-economic-forum-misinformation/ and https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wef/fact-check-the-world-economic-forum-does-not-have-a-stated-goal-to-have-people-own-nothing-by-2030-idUSKBN2AP2T0 .
What I see as much more likely is the collapse of our democratic republic of the USA if election deniers (of the lawful outcome of the 2020 USA presidential election) get elected to high office (including at the state and local government levels). That is what frightens me. The election deniers, including the election deniers who are running for elected office, are unfortunately gaining many followers. That is a huge present day problem. It is horrible. Donald Trump is the one who started this huge mess, largely as a result of his rhetoric in which he repeatedly falsely says his re-election was stolen from him. The Republican Party is becoming radicalized in a bad way. That is very sad and very scary. In order to preserve the democratic republic of the USA, people in the USA need to vote against those election deniers who are running for elective office.
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What did Jesus Teach the "Kingdom of Heaven/God" is?
by truth_b_known inthe books of matthew, mark, luke, john, and the beginning of acts are filled with what the authors purport are statements of jesus.
jesus is quoted as making several statements about "the kingdom of heaven" or "the kingdom of god".
those statements are often given as parables that start with a phrase something like "the kingdom of heaven is like...".
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It seems to me that Well's did not believe that Jesus taught an apocalyptic message, but I believe that Jesus did teach an apocalyptic message.
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What did Jesus Teach the "Kingdom of Heaven/God" is?
by truth_b_known inthe books of matthew, mark, luke, john, and the beginning of acts are filled with what the authors purport are statements of jesus.
jesus is quoted as making several statements about "the kingdom of heaven" or "the kingdom of god".
those statements are often given as parables that start with a phrase something like "the kingdom of heaven is like...".
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I think the most reliable extant sources of what Jesus taught about the kingdom of God the gospel books called "According to Mark" and "According to Matthew". The message is that the kingdom of God is as follows. It is near, very near, even at hand (Mark 1:1, 4-5, 14-15; Matthew 3:1-2, 7-12) and that the kingdom is the god's rule on the Earth (at least over Judea) through the messianic son of man. The son of man would rule on Earth. In order to enter the kingdom and receive its blessings people would have to obey the god's laws and seek righteousness, including loving one's neighbor as oneself, and by striving hard to get into the kingdom (Matthew chapters 5 through 7; 18:7-9). Jesus' message about the kingdom was an apocalyptic one (Matthew 13:1-52; 16:27-28; chapters 24-25). The existing political systems and the existing economic systems would be overturned by the kingdom. Many of the poor and of the oppressed would become blessed (Matthew 9:35-38) and most of the rich would suffer and fail to enter the kingdom (Matthew 19:23-24). Those existing in slavery would be released from bondage. Those who worshiped the god properly would be cured of infirmities and of diseases and would receive long life (Matthew 4:23; 10:7-8; 11:2-6; 14:14; 15:30-39). The dead would raised to life (Matthew 10:8; 27:51-53). The resurrected righteous dead would be greatly rewarded and the resurrected unrighteous dead would be judged and receive contempt (John 5;28-29; Daniel 12:2; John 11:24).
Reading what H.G. Wells' said about Jesus in Wells' two volume book called The Outline Of History: Being A Palin History Of Life And Mankind (but note the subtitle on the cover of the book is "The Whole Story Of Man") contributed to be once again believing that Jesus was a historical person. [The edition I read is the final revised edition, revised by Raymond Postgate and G. P. Wells, bearing the copyright date of 1971.] That is because I saw how his apocalyptic message, including a number of hard sayings for those who were prosperous, indicate that Jesus of Galilee must have existed as the founder (or probably a co-founder along with John the baptist/baptizer) of the Nazarene movement within Judaism which later evolved (largely due to Saul/Paul of Tarsus) into what became known as Christianity.
The apocalyptic message of Jesus failed to come true (other than the destruction of Jerusalem). The kingdom of the god did not become established upon Earth throughout the Earth, nor even upon Judea.
Page 445 of Wells' book says the following.
"....remarkable is the enormous prominence given by Jesus to the teaching of what he called the Kingdom of Heaven, and its comparative insignificance in the procedure and teaching of most of the Christian churches.
This doctrine of the Kingdom Heaven, which was the main teachings of Jesus, and which plays so small a part in the Christian creeds, is certainly one of the most revolutionary doctrines that ever stirred and changed human thought.
... For the doctrine of the Kingdom of Heaven,a s Jesus seems to have preached it, was no less than a bold and uncompromising demand for a complete change and cleansing of the life of our struggling race, an utter cleansing without and within."